I’ve written a lot about male anger including two books, The Irritable Male Syndrome and Mr. Mean: Saving Your Relationship From the Irritable Male Syndrome and a recent article, “Are You Living With an Angry Man?” I recently received an email from Ann Silvers, author of Abuse OF Men BY Women: It Happens, it Hurts, and It’s Time to Get Real About It, who suggested I write about angry women including those who abuse men.
She said that she capitalized “OF” and “BY” in the book title because when she talked about abuse of men, people heard it as abusive men. The bias is that when we talk about abuse in a relationship we’re talking about men abusing women. I understand the bias well. I was married to an abusive woman for four years and I almost didn’t make it out alive.
I met Sheila in the pool at Harbin Hot Springs, immediately fell in lust, later fell in love, and by the time I realized how abusive the relationship had become I felt trapped. As a psychotherapist I had counseled many women who had been in abusive relationships, and though I could sympathize I would often think to myself, “God woman, what are you doing with an abusive guy like that. Just get the hell out.”
It wasn’t until I met and married Sheila that I began to understand. How does one get hooked into an abusive relationship? In the beginning Sheila seemed to be a dream come true. She was exotic, sexy, and was very interested in me. Early on, our relationship was fun, with lots of excitement, and erotic play.
I should have been alerted when she told the story of being in Mexico with her boyfriend. Out late following a night of drinking, they were walking home when a truck full of rowdy, young Mexican men drove by, hit a puddle and splashed them. Sheila immediately became incensed, screamed “Fuck you” and gave them the finger. “They turned the truck around, drove back and tried to run me over. Luckily, I was pinned against a parked car or I would have been killed,” she told me, “but I ended up spending a month in a Mexican hospital. My asshole boyfriend left me there.”
Rather than making me want to leave, I felt drawn like a moth to a flame. At the time I didn’t know why. As our relationship progressed her own anger and violence began to reveal itself. There were the verbal fights when I wouldn’t do what she wanted. I would always give in and apologize because if I didn’t the fights would last for hours and hours. Later, she would punish me if I didn’t do what she demanded. One day after a fight, I left to go to work and found that she had let all the air out of my tires. After another fight, in a rage she tore up a book that I loved.
After the fights, the make-up sex was exciting. I felt I was living on the lip of a volcano. I knew it was dangerous, but it was also exciting. One day making love in the afternoon, the pillow was pushed aside and there was a small, black, gun. Being a pacifist, I freaked out. “What the hell is that for?” She smiled calmly and replied, “My ex-husband gave it to me so I could protect myself from men.” I looked down at my rapidly deflating penis. I wasn’t reassured.
As time went on I began to become more and more depressed. I couldn’t sleep at night, even after she had gotten rid of the gun at my insistence. We didn’t fight as much because I didn’t have the energy. I usually did what she wanted and hated myself for letting her dominate and control my life. After a slight argument that ended in a stalemate (I had begun to feel a victory was when I could get away from her with a shred of my self-esteem intact), I said I was going to bed. She smiled, turned and went into the kitchen and began sharpening the big butcher knife we used for cutting meat. “You better not fall asleep tonight,” she called out from the kitchen. I felt a chill run through me.
I tossed and turned all night and lay awake thinking about my life and how I felt it slipping away. I remembered growing up in a home with a depressed father and a mother who was obsessed with death. “I just hope I’m still around when you graduate high school,” she would tell me. I remembered the neighbor girl, Nelly, two years older than me, who used to terrorize me when I was six or seven years old. She always appeared sweet and nice when she and her mother would come to visit us. Our mothers would encourage us to play together. When we were alone, she would tease me, then pinch me until I cried. I wanted to hit her, but had been taught that a boy never hits a girl. I suffered in silence.
Luckily, I got out of the relationship. I feel blessed that I finally got the courage to leave. Not everyone caught in an abusive relationship gets out alive.
Now as a therapist in practice for more than forty-years I’ve learned that the abuse OF men BY women is much more common than most people know. I believe it is as common as the abuse OF women BY men. But men, often feel beaten down by the abuse and ashamed that they were abused by a female. Being abused by a woman made me feel less than a man. I’ve treated hundreds of abused men and hundreds of abusive women. What all abuse has in common is there are roots that go back to the past, most often to experiences in families that were dysfunctional. There is also a reluctance to see the abuse for what it is.
I’ve also learned that most men don’t want to remember the abuse they suffered and those who do are reluctant to talk. As Ann Silver reminds us, “It happens, it hurts, and it’s time to get real about it.” I’ve written about my own experiences in my first book, Inside Out: Becoming My Own Man (I still have some copies. If you’d like to order one from me, drop me an email and put “Inside Out” in the subject line.) I also write more in my recent book, My Distant Dad: Healing the Family Father Wound. You can get the first chapter, “Mad Father, Dutiful Son, here.
My wife just went through a bout of insanity and became verbally and emotionally abusive. I confronted the situation head on. Told our kids and closest friends what was going on. Afler all the sorted details were revealed what I found most interesting was the different responses I got. By far the majority of men were concerned that I would hurt and would be with me through anything to be sure I did not. What I was most shocked by was the women. All of the inquiries were about our marriage. Trying to assure themselves that divorce was not on the table. I gave no re-assurances and continued to talk to my wife about where she wanted things to go from here. What was most concerning to me was not a single woman called my wife to discus what she had going on. No one discussed her character with her. When it was clear who was out of control she was left to fend for herself by other women. My wife is a powerful person and an avid feminist but when it was clear she was not the victim she was abandoned of it was just not going to be talked about. Wild ride.
Mitch,
Thanks for sharing your experience. Not sure what you were meaning in a few places. “By far the majority of men were concerned that I would hurt and would be with me through anything to be sure I did not.” Were you meaning hurt yourself or hurt her? Were you meaning feeling emotionally hurt? It sounds like the responses from women was about their concern for the marriage, that what was happening would not lead to divorce. But no one called your wife to see what was going on with her that was causing her “bout of insanity” and her becoming “verbally and emotionally abusive.”
I’ve found that when we break out of expected gender roles, it often confuses people. Most people respond to a man who is abusive towards a woman by condemning the man and sympathizing with the woman. More enlightened people will try to get the man help for his anger. When its a woman who is abusive, people don’t know what to do. If anything they assume that the problem must be with the man and she is just responding appropriately to his abuse.
We’ve come a long way in our understanding on gender focused counseling, but we still have a long way to go.
The cultural pretense that women can’t be abusive not only leaves abused men out in the cold but also women who are being abusive.
Thanks for so candidly telling your story. It’s not easy to let other people know about personal experiences being the target of an abusive woman, but it’s so important that the stories be told. It’s way more common than most people think. The silence that surrounds the subject sets men up to being unwittingly ensnarled by an abusive woman and adds another layer of abuse.
Ann,
Thanks for your comments and for writing your book. I hope more men and women will come to see that abuse is common and it impacts men and women. Those who abuse are not monsters, but most always have been abused themselves earlier in their lives. Together we can heal.
My wife suffers from Trump Derangement Syndrome. She watches CNN and then tries to lure me into a debate. If I choose to debate and upset her with my rebuttals she gets shrill and starts interrupting me to the point where I can’t get a word in edgewise. If I ask, “please let me speak”, she clams up and won’t talk to me for days. If I say good morning I get a grunt, If I ask her a question I may get a head nod. She is miss chatterbox with her family but treats me as if I don’t exist. The only way to avoid these unpleasant confrontations is to go to another tv set and watch the Yankees. The silent treatment is spouse abuse.
Thomas,
Thanks for sharing that. There are many ways that we abuse those we say we love. We all know about direct violence and aggression, but passive aggression can be just as harmful. Withdrawing affection, giving “the silent treatment,” close down emotionally, are all ways that express anger, dislike, and disdain. When we avoid dealing with angry women, we do ourselves a disservice and we also keep women from hearing how their behavior impacts us and keeps us from getting the help we need. No one likes to live in a relationship where the anger dragon is living in the same room.
I’m the mom of three married sons of which two are married to controlling and emotionally abusive women. I’ve watched my sons go from strong happy men to robot like personalities. They follow these abusive women like dogs with their tails between their legs. The most helpless and hurtful feeling you can experience is to watch someone you love be abused and there is nothing you can do about it. Their dad and I feel guilty. What did we do wrong that allows them to continue to take this abuse? Why can’t they see this abuse? These women have estranged my sons from their family and friends. Their lives are only about their wives families and friends. Sadly, I’ve met several other mother of sons who are experiencing the same thing. All of us have learned though our experiences: We can say nothing and have no opinion because their wives and society tells us we are meddling and our sons are mommas boys if we do. A big warning sign now goes up in my head when I hear a wife talked badly about her mother-in-law.
Marie, Thanks for sharing so openly. I know how painful it is to see someone you love in an abusive relationship. I know from experience, both personally and as a counselor, that people can become addicted to the trauma. They come to see the abuser as the person they must stay with in order to get the love they hope for and anyone who suggests that there is abuse going on are seen as meddling and are a threat.Letting them know you love them, support them, know what’s going on, and will help when they’re ready to reach out, can mean a lot. Often time the abuser, in their own fear, will try and isolate the person from their family and friends. No one wants to live this way and many will break free if they know there are people outside the destructive system who care. Don’t give up.
This is so sad. I am very sorry Marie.
Hi Marie. Thanks for sharing your story. It is so difficult watching the men you love be manipulated and controlled. And way too common for the abuse to include estrangement from family.
A chapter in my book, “For men’s family and friends” speaks to the impact of female-on-male partner abuse on men’s loved ones and gives suggestions on what to do. It includes the story of a woman I met whose brother was abused by his wife. (I have talked to and worked with many people in this situation. Other family member stories are shared throughout the book.)
Sometimes the men wake up and find their way back to family. Hopefully, that will happen for you.
-Ann Silvers
So glad to see this written about. There’s a lot of focus on male anger here but not nearly enough on female anger and how destructive it can be to a relationship. It may show up differently between the sexes but its still equally destructive physically and emotionally to men. I honestly think that women are just as angry as men are yet they often get a pass. It may show up different (than physical violence or rage) but its still anger and still hurtful. Having conversations with my male friends over the years has taught me that its just as common. Both partners need to take responsibility for their own contribution and stop blaming the other for their own unhappiness and dissatisfaction in the relationship.
“When its a woman who is abusive, people don’t know what to do. If anything they assume that the problem must be with the man and she is just responding appropriately to his abuse.”
Exactly. Many of us as young men are taught by our mothers that we are responsible for her feelings. Move forward 20 years and we project that back on to our partners/girlfriends/wives due to our own inability to understand what’s actually happening, add our own repressed anger for feeling responsible for everyone else’s happiness and we just naturally drift in to ‘irritable angry males’ still often getting blamed for any dysfunction in the relationship. Anger is an equal opportunity destroyer. We all have a lot of work to do.. men AND women.
Daniel,
Well said. In this atmosphere of separation and disconnection our society is experiencing, we fall into the trap of looking for scapegoats that we can wrap all our hurts and pains together and blame on that person or group. There was a time when women were blamed for all that was not right in a man’s life. Now, we see the tables turned and men are being blamed. Some think “It’s about time men got to feel what it is like to be on the other side of abuse and feel the fear that women have experienced.” The problem is that anger, hate, shame, and blame, don’t balance the books. They just perpetuate a system of abuse that harms everyone. We can do better. We need to stand for what is right, what is loving, what is healing. We need to remember that every abuser was himself or herself abused somewhere in their past. Coming together to stop abuse, whether towards men, women, immigrants, or anyone else is something I’m committed to helping bring about in this world. I know there are a lot of men and women who are with me on this.
Thanks, Jed.
Why are we even talking about this? It’s not as if no one knew. Abuse in any form is not new.
So is the discussion about how to stop it, or just a whining session? Do we live under the delusion that we are going to take a stand, and stop abuse? Is leaving the abusive relationship passive/aggressive or just quitting? You go try and tell an abusive Woman that their behaviour is hurtful and you want something to change–good luck.
I haven’t read Ann’s book yet, I hope there are pragmatic solutions, not just “we need to get this out in the open” or “seek out counseling”. DUH!! Sorry for being a smart ass, it’s in my nature. 🙂
Robert,
There are solutions and I’m committed to bringing them into reality. That’s been my work for more than 40 years. I believe Ann has a similar commitment. Check out here site and get her book if you want to read the details of what she’s doing. If these issues resonate with you, I hope you’ll find a way to do something positive that makes sense to you. We need all the help we can get.
I get fed up with the brainwashing of men where men are told never to argue with women. Maybe it is about time that thing gets thrown out of the door and men do argue with women, particularly abusive women. At the very least, we men can give women a piece of our mind.
I agree with Robert about that abusive women will never change their behavior. I have reported two abusive women to their superiors and nothing was done about it because their superiors were related to them by family ties, their superiors were themselves were abusive, or their bosses are to chicken do anything about it. I have run into too many abusive women at work and they are getting younger and younger.
If this problem gets larger, I guarantee no one will be willing to support any kind of women’s rights considering the hardships and sacrifices that people had made to make women’s lives better.
Gunther,
Abuse often starts early in families and impacts boys and girls. It’s not surprising that many of those abused boys and girls grow up to become abusive men and women. Fortunately abuse can be treated at any age. Men can learn to heal and so can women. I work them all the time.
I’m with you Jed and subscribe to you. I get it.
But, this isn’t something we can just talk to death. It isn’t new, but there is no way to deal with it, I have tried. Play along; Abusive wife; “something abusive” you; “maybe we should see a counsellor, I think our relationship sucks” wife; “your right it does, because of you, you need a counsellor”
Jed we live in a Society that doesn’t accept the possibility of female abusers, of grown men. And it manifests in almost every possible scenario that I can think of. Go to someone and tell them you are being abused. Let a family member know. Call the Police. Every scenario turns 180º on the victim (if they are male). So we leave the relationship, again this goes back to the question of passive/aggressiveness. Either way we lose. Talking about it is not going to change it. But I’m not smart enough to know the answer, so I’ll get the book and read it.
R
Robert, Change takes time and it starts with people telling the truth about our experiences. Clearly this article is resonating with others. Let’s spread the word and hear from more people.
Too bad, we can’t get people like you to do something about it in the workplace; however, many bosses would not like it because many of them are abusive, won’t admit to it let alone change themselves, furthermore, exposing the abuses would make the bosses look bad because they had covered it up and therefore, would subject them to civil lawsuits and expose how bad they are as leaders and managers. Finally, American culture has been set up where workers rights have been undermined where the leaders in the private and public sectors have been given too much latitude to do what ever they want. It is going to take a huge culture shift; however, the people in power will fight you ever step of the way because they like to maintain the old system that way. Why do you think they are trying to smear the Black Lives Matter movement, the me-too movement, and the survivors of the Parkland shootings and individuals likes Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
It doesn’t change the fact, that men are brainwashed not to argue with women nor will it change the fact, that many people will not support women’s movement if they have to take garbage from abusive women. People are not born to be racist and/or sexist; however, they are going to take abuse, they will end up become one because they can only be push so far.
Gunther,
Helping people wake up to the realities of abuse in men comes from more and more people telling their stories so that we can begin to see that abuse does not focus on one sex and women can be abusive and men can be wounded.
Doesn’t change the fact that we can’t get our top political, social, and economic leaders to do something about it considering the fact that many of them are bullies themselves and have a bunch of flunkies to help them out.
I live in a daily world where my wife recently commented – “we don’t argue as much as we used to, its kind of nice”. What she’s not picking up is we don’t converse the way we used to. I’ve been badgered and beaten to death, so to speak, to the point where I’d rather just cave in than offer any sort of opposite dialogue. This also shows up in my social valuation. When in a group setting, I’m given my opinion by my wife, and you can see the smirks from both the women in the other partnerships and from the men who are supposedly my peers. And she thinks its funny, even when I’ve told her its not (both in private and in public). I don’t go out of my way to humiliate people, but my wife gets some sort of perverse joy in humiliating me in public. I’m not educated the way my wife is – my experiences have all been learned the hard way, so I tend to be more cautious and less impulsive, and think my way through a conversation before I open my mouth. She takes this for weakness and bulldozes her way through any conversation. I’ve found that there’s a lot of people who don’t think before they speak, and don’t respect others who don’t have the same null experiences they have, but I haven’t met someone who exploits tiny things and then says “you should be more thick-skinned, its all funny!”
She often treats our dogs better than she treats me, completely sensitive to their emotions but can’t figure out her husband’s feelings.
The worst part is I’ve taken the passive-aggressive approach to take the only jab I can. It sort of boils down to “if there’s any sort of argument, I don’t give two craps about it, whatever” – and then pull out the “I told you so” card when my negative forecast of events comes to pass, which is just as toxic.
I’m not a push-over – and when its really critical or something I’m deeply disturbed or highly motivated about, I’ll push back on her mental beat-down, but those “somethings” are getting fewer and fewer, because the emotional toll is too much.
Dwain, Sounds pretty miserable. Good for you for hanging in there and seeking solutions. One to consider is an upcoming class I’m teaching about anger and what women do to trigger anger in men and how men can deal with their anger without shutting down or fighting back. Here’s the info:
https://menalive.com/downloads/how-to-live-with-an-angry-man/
Jed, I’m confused why based on Dwain’s post you’d refer him to a resource on women can deal with irritable, angry men. I acknowledge you’re the expert here, with tons of professional experience. Would it be wrong to hope Dwain also gets information on abusive relationships, and possibilities for leaving them? I guess I’m sensitive because I identify with what he’s going through (as I think you do) and I wish for him to get out. Your recommendations just struck me as odd.
I’m going to make a comment, then leave this alone.
We are talking about a Book written about the abuse of Men by Women. And talking about it on a known Male advocacy Blog. These two things together, don’t make sense. Unless it’s a platform for whining about it, yelling about it, or relating to each other about it, which we have done here today.
But other than that it’s a waste of time and space here. If the problem starts with Women abusers, IMHO the Book needs to be exposed and endorsed through a different medium. WE as Men have no power to stop it. I’m a 41 year old, White, Male who has a full time job, that isn’t in Art–I am the most despised person on Earth right now (2018). If there is a real desire to stop something like this, promote it to Women. You don’t promote a solution to Abuse to the victims of Abuse!!! Or a group that essentially has no say in the outcome. Don’t drop the ball here Jed, you do really good work, most of the time.
Robert
Robert,
Thanks for your thoughts. Here’s my thinking. I’ve been doing this work for more than 40 years. I’ve seen real change occur over the years and it has been driven by men to share their own stories, encouraging other men to do so, and reaching out to women who recognize the broader issues of abuse and can move beyond the male abuser, female victim, mentality that so permeates much of the media. On my site I have lots of men and women who are potential allies. My articles go out to 30,000 people each week and many more read the articles. Plus, all my articles are republished on The Good Men Project with their 3.5 million readers a month. So the more comments we generate, the more people share the articles, the bigger our reach and the more we can influence. It’s not easy, but that’s my life work. I want to help men and this is the way I can do it.